Monday, March 23, 2015

Haters Gonna Hate

Now, you can consider me generally indifferent to any news involving

- Celebrity couples
- Who's headlining this year's Glastonbury, or
- That gosh-darned racket of a hippy-hop music with all the fucking cursing that y'all young 'uns are into these days

...But you know, it's not exactly a shock to discover that either old hippies or young-ish hipsters can often be, beneath their own distinctive veneers of radicalism, really very conservative indeed

My favourite versions of this old satirical stick are Viz's Modern Parents and the Critics but seriously, nothing about this is news, particularly not if you traded in your ridiculous ripped jeans for cheap suits and hard cash many years ago, as I did.  Haters gonna hate, yo.

I haven't got much interest in Kanye West either, but I will observe this - if you're married to Kim Kardashian, and lots of people feel sorry for her because you are embarrassingly vapid and self-involved, then you've probably fucked up somewhere along the line. 

I realise that this point won't go down well with some folk but I offer the following as consolation: if Mr West is especially grief-stricken about his unpopularity with a shower of Home Counties crusties, he can always commit suicide by jumping off his wallet.

14 comments:

Igor Belanov said...

I think some people are still living under the delusion that Glastonbury is an ALTERNATIVE music festival. What did they think t'other year when Dolly Parton was playing?

My advice to them is to take their wellies off and look for a proper music venue with decent bands.

Martin Wisse said...

Kanye gets a lot of shtick because a) he's a black man not being very modest about his talents, b) his outspoken political views (e.g. saying that Bush doesn't care about black people after Katrina) and c) the general disdain of a still larger than expected part of the white music establishment for hip-hop.

flyingrodent said...

While I don't doubt that a) to c) are correct, I do have to point out that he's also d) quite a bit of a vainglorious tit.

organic cheeseboard said...

No doubt Kanye is a tit, but this anti-Yeezy 'movement' is motivated by the same things as it was when Jay-Z and Beyone headlined, and when 50 Cent was bottled off at Reading, i.e. cultural conservatism which itself masks barely disguised racism from people who claim not to be racists. 50 Cent bottled off at the same place Eminem headlined to massive adulation ffs - there's only one way that can be explained.

The bloke who started the petition, for instance, says that Kanye's Brits performance (featuring a bunch of excellent UK MCs) was 'threatening' - no idea how he can conclude that, unless black men shouting and being successful as a result makes him threatened.

Also always good to see these anti-hip-hop people telling us that it'd be nice if the Stones played again. Because of course, their behaviour in public over the years has been spotless eh, and their lyrics, to songs in no way ripping off black US music, have nothing dodgy in them at all, oh no.

Previously glastonbury has hosted, er, Rolf Harris - a massive draw - and the year I went (I hated it), the Prodigy headlined and played 'Smack my Bitch Up'.

This is one of those few issues that make me into a Decent psychologist of racism, I appreciate, but still.

gregorach said...

While I don't doubt that a) to c) are correct, I do have to point out that he's also d) quite a bit of a vainglorious tit.

If we're going to start hating on people for being vainglorious tits, we're not going to have much of a music industry left...

organic cheeseboard said...

Well yeah and you've got Bowie of Hitler salute fame, who also did one of the all-time best Glastonbury sets etc.

Glastonbury headlining has a bit of a weird history. some odd ones - Skunk Anansie, Levellers, Shakespeare's Sister (!), Level 42, Boomtown Rats (in 1985 no less), The Verve (in 2008?), and Carter USM... Seems that noawadays you need to have a fair few albums under your belt and 'world star' status, as well as being pretty much MOR, but it wasn't always like that. Even when I went one was meant to be Steve Winwood, who at the time (I was 16) I'd never heard of...

Igor Belanov said...

I think the subconscious racism point is closer to the point than 'cultural conservatism'. The likes of Kanye West are hardly avant garde and genuine subversiveness has long since disappeared from rap music. You can make the case that an awful lot of younger people kid themselves into thinking that the likes of Oasis, Kasabian or Coldplay are 'indie', and thus uniquely appropriate for Glastonbury but they are guided that way by the media. The best way of looking at this controversy is to regard Glastonbury as the thoroughly establishment occasion that it has become, and see black rappers, despite their wealth and high profile, as not the sort of thing the establishment really want to see.

Asteri said...

"No doubt Kanye is a tit, but this anti-Yeezy 'movement' is motivated by the same things as it was when Jay-Z and Beyone headlined, and when 50 Cent was bottled off at Reading, i.e. cultural conservatism which itself masks barely disguised racism from people who claim not to be racists. 50 Cent bottled off at the same place Eminem headlined to massive adulation ffs - there's only one way that can be explained."

Not sure about that one. Kanye is suffering the backlash that 50 cent experienced for being way too mainstream for a hip hop act. As the festival audience is affluent middle class I can see why Eminem received critical acclaim and 50 cent got bottled. Eminem is just more popular (and way more talented) across class boundaries, while 50 cent's audience was mainly white working class and not Glastonbury. That audience would never admit to liking 50 cent after he went mainstream, the 'serious' white middle class hip hop fans share the Black fan base's disdain for hip hop music thats commercial and obviously aimed at a white audience. Its just like how Dizzee Rascal's fanbase left him when he started making pop music for Radio one.

flyingrodent said...

I've tried quite hard to see the objections in that petition as springing from music snobbery, rather than at least partially motivated by racism, just to see how they shake out.

Having given it some thought I'd say it's well within the bounds of possibility, knowing what we do about how ludicrously pissy and tribal music fans can be.

The difficulty in assuming the best of it is this: more or less every criticism that could be chucked at Kanye West with at least some validity, e.g.

- Selling out/turning into a soulless corporate product or

- Being a bit of a ridiculous celebrity cartoon rather than an artist, or

- Not being real proper modern music, whatever that would be

...Very obviously applies to the Rolling Stones as well, and probably a lot more so. And it's not like this is difficult to spot, either. It's been obvious for a long, long time.

Maybe another way of looking at it is to remember that in the internet age, the angry twats who shout loudest tend to drown out everybody else.

Larry T said...

The only thing I know about Kanye West is that time he clambered onto the stage and interrupted some woman who was trying to collect some award. Which leads me to conclude that the man is a cunt.

On the other hand, Oasis have played there, more than once, haven't they?

Anyway there's about 20 stages. Maybe the people signing the petition could go and watch one of the others.

gregorach said...

Given that the guy who started the petition has never actually been to Glasto, I have a hard believing that it's motivated by a concern for the "integrity" of the festival.

The whole thing reeks of "Disco sucks!", and we all know what that was really all about, right?

organic cheeseboard said...

I think the moral of the story is that online petitions are an easy way to fill the pages of whatever you edit.

And yes, it's very reminiscent of disco sucks.

Also worth mentioning that whatever you think of him as a person, Kanye's produced some of the most critically acclaimed as well as popular music of the last 15 years (am thinking here of his production on several Jay-Z albums as well as My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy which is currently Pitchfork's number 1 album of the decade so far and has already had a 33 1/3 book written about it). You can't really say that of the Foo Fighters, much as they've got a few nice tunes - in fact what's striking about this is that it's one of the few times that Glastonbury headliners in recent years have actually been cutting-edge.

The fact that he did his 'being a dick at the grammys' thing again this year doesn't really counterbalance all that.

Igor Belanov said...

I beg to differ on the 'cutting edge'.

The point is that a sizable group of people seem to regard the Glastonbury Festival as their 'property', and certain people are kindly advised to stay off their land.

This might have been defensible in the days when it was the likes of Carter or even The Levellers headlining, but when the main acts are egotistical, bland, old farts or all of the above rolled into one, it is hard to avoid the idea that there is some more sinister reasoning at play.

As I said before, if they are really interested in alternative music, there are plenty of other avenues to explore.

dsquared said...

Even your proposed mode of suicide might not work if his fall was broken by his spare wallet.